Part 2.:
DIALOGUE
with
a ‘Rocke-Nazi’-Deluded “Leftist”.
GLOBAL STRATEGIC
HYPOTHESES.
Dear Reader,
Below is a transcript of the second
part of a dialogue with an old-acquaintance “leftist” who recently engaged me
with three questions.
This transcript has been
edited, moderately, for clarity.
The leftist’s question #2 to me is
pasted-in below my response to it.
My response is marked ‘M.D.2’.
[M.D.2]… Response
to Your Question #2. Your “recollection” of my views on humanity and “Nature”
could not be more erroneous. My views are actually a
thoroughgoing reversal of the views that you ascribe to me -- what you ascribed
to me are “strawman” views, that the ‘Rocke-Nazi’ main-sewer,
ideology-brainwashing media attribute to anyone who demurs from their – “People
Are Pollution” – “Party Line”; views that constitute a kind of Christianoid
ideology, but one also found, embarassingly for pseudo-Marxian “Marxist”-Leninists,
who are deeply anti-Marxian, in fact, in Lukacs History
and Class Consciousness, for example.
At least the views that you
present regarding humanity and “Nature” represent a thin thread that still
connects you, partially, to real Marxian theory, and to the real Marxian
tradition, falsely claimed by the Leninist state-capitalist and
proto-state-capitalist dictatorships, and by their ideologues.
Marx wrote, at the end of his
Preface to the first German edition of Capital, volume I.:
“...My standpoint [is that] from which the evolution of the economic formation
of society is viewed as a process of natural history...”
Marx regularly wrote of what
I call ‘exo-human Nature’ on planet Terra as the “natural basis” of all human
societies.
Marx’s view of Nature,
including of ‘‘‘human Nature’’’ -- the expanding human zone of Nature on this
planet -- as part of a cosmological Nature that is THE
dialectical TOTALITY, are reflected in his critical view of science. In
his 1844 manuscripts, he expresses this view as follows: “[human] History
itself is a real part of natural history, of the development of nature into
mankind. Natural science will one day incorporate the science of mankind,
just as the science of mankind will incorporate natural science; there will be
a single science”.
In The German
Ideology, written together with Engels on the eve of the European,
continent-wide uprisings of 1848, the two held that “We know only a single
science, the science of history. One can look at history from two sides
and divide it into the history of nature and the history of mankind. The
two sides are, however, inseparable.”
In all of my work, I have
followed and extended these Marxian views.
As I see it, humanity – ‘‘‘human
Nature’’’ -- is in no way radically separable from, or transcendent of, the
rest of Nature.
We are a self-continuation
of Nature, born from out of pre-human Nature, created by pre-human Nature, and
part of a gargantuan ‘meta-genealogy’ that spans the to-us-known history of our
visible universe. The ontological category that is the Terran human[oid]
species -- probably to be classed with other “human[oid]” species likely to
exist on some of the burgeoning myriad of planets that we are recently
discovering -- was “begat” by/from out of pre-human “animal societies”, that
were themselves, earlier “begat” by “asocial” ‘multi-eukaryotic-cellular’
animals, and, from there, all the way back, via “begating” by prior “begatting”,
to the first known ontological category of physical units, the universal ‘<<arche'>>-category’.
Each of these “begattings” was a dialectical process, i.e., an <<aufheben>>
process -- a process combining determinate “self-negation”, ‘qualo-fractal-scale’
“self-elevation”, and double-“self-conservation”, both inside and
outside the ‘neo-<<monads>>’ of each, successive,
progressive, neo-ontology.
If we dispense with our
hypothesis that so-called “Dark Energy” is the deepest now-accessible <<arche'>>
ontological category of our cosmos, and that “Dark Matter” is its first ‘contra-category’,
born of the ‘self-<<aufheben>>’ of “Dark Energy” -- because they
are both still so little “known” to us presently -- and if we take, as
our <<arche'>>, instead, the later-arisen ontological
category of pre-atomic “particles”, then this ‘meta-genealogy’, for just its ‘self-hybrid’
cosmo-ontological categories, is as follows. [By ‘‘‘self-involution’’’,
apart from its mathematical connotations, I mean the ‘self-in-folding’, ‘‘‘self-re-entering’’’,
self-internalization, self-incorporation, or ‘self-meta-<<monad>>-ization’
that generates each new kind of ‘self-hybrid’ <<monads>>
from the immediately-previous kind of ‘self-hybrid’ <<monads>>
--
atoms are the neo-ontological product of our stipulated
first self-<<aufheben>> self-involution, that of “particles”;
molecules are the neo-ontological product of the second
self-<<aufheben>> self-involution, that of atoms;
prokaryotic living cells are the neo-ontological product of the 3rd
self-<<aufheben>> self-involution, that of molecules [the
leap from molecules to living cells is a big one, that could be sub-divided
into, e.g., mere ‘‘‘mers’’’, “poly-mers”; ‘poly-poly-mers’, etc.];
eukaryotic living cells are the neo-ontological product of the 4th
self-<<aufheben>> self-involution, that of prokaryotes;
asocial multi-eukaryotic-cellular organisms are product of the 5th self-<<aufheben>>
self-involution, that of eukaryotes;
social organisms are the
neo-ontological product of the 6th self-<<aufheben>>
self-involution, that of the ‘meta-biota’ [i.e., that of asocial ‘multi-eukaryotic-cellular’
organisms];
human, ‘meta-social’,
societies are the neo-ontological product of the 7th
self-<<aufheben>> self-involution, that of merely-social
[meta^0-social] organisms.
So. humanities are, directly,
the neo-ontological fruition of the 7th ‘self-<<aufheben>>
self-involution’ in the dialectic of Nature.
Humanities are a dialectical,
self-<<aufheben>>, self-involutionary, neo-ontic product of
pre-human Nature.
[I have posted, above,
several illustrations which may help to clarify the view of ‘the dialectic of
Nature’ outline above, as well as other points stated in this response].
However, not
despite, but because human societies are in continuity with the
rest of Nature, and because they contain/internalize all of the previous
formations of Nature, they may not be “superior to” the
rest of Nature in every dimension of potential comparison.
However, human societies do
potentiate certain advanced capabilities that are absent in to-us-known
pre-human Nature/contemporary exo-human Nature, just as every advancing stage
in the self-<<aufheben>> self-involution of natural
formations produces neo-ontological, progressed, natural formations that have
behavioral capabilities and “degrees of freedom” -- or, indeed, ‘dimensions of
freedom’ -- that were/are absent in all earlier natural formations, and
especially in those natural formations which are relevant because presently still
extant.
For example, not
dinosaurs, not birds, not salmon
fish, not wolves, not sequoia trees,
etc., but only humans have the technological potential to
save the Terran biosphere from globally-lethal bombardments by ‘exoliths’ -- by
gigantic asteroids, by gigantic meteors, by gigantic comets, etc. -- and only
humans have the technological potential, given sufficient advancement in “the
social forces of [societal-self-re-]production”, to save the Terran biosphere
by averting the global devastation of the next Pleistocene/Recent
Milankovitchian Ice Age, and recurrence of “Snowball Earth”.
Humans are NOT
-- as you so falsely say in your verbatim recital of ‘Rocke-Nazi’, “People
Are Pollution”, omni-genocidal ‘human anti-humanism’ – “the worst disaster in
the history of the world”.
The Ice Ages, and
their undertow toward a resumption of “Snowball Earth” -- both caused by
the dynamics of PRE-human Nature, e.g., by the
photosynthetic biosphere’s tendency to deplete atmospheric CO2, and to
sequester that CO2 as “fossil fuels" -- ARE the worst
catastrophes for the Terran biosphere in the history of planet Terra!
Observing your
thought-processes via what you wrote in your question-commentaries, I note that
your ‘<<psyche'>>-ology’ appears to have retrogressed back
into a kind of Kantian dualism. You seem to think that anybody who
rejects the ‘Rocke-Nazi’ ruling-class ruling-faction Party-Line, of “People Are
Pollution”, ‘humanocidal’, ‘human anti-humanism’, must therefore, ipso facto,
belong to the “only possible
other view”, that of the “strawman” of pseudo-Christianoid human
“separatism” and “transcendentalism”.
In my experience there is --
perhaps always -- a <<tertium quid>>, a “third thing”,
that escapes both terms of a given contradiction, opposition, “radical” [e.g.,
Kantianoid] dualism, antinomy, paralogism, or paradox -- often there are not
just one, but many more, alternatives to both terms of
such dualisms, even a progression of such alternatives, representing various
possible ‘dialectical syntheses’ of the contending conditions or opinions.
Just because I reject your ‘humanocidal’
anti-humanism, does not mean that I support rampant
capitalist destruction of the “natural basis” [Marx] of human society.
Rampant pollution, etc., “externalities” -- or “external cost” “market-failures”
-- are an artefact of the capitalist obsession and mania for profit at
any human-social/natural cost. Thus, I support the
democratic, social mitigation, reduction, and “internalization”, of such “external
costs”.
However, one, if a person of
morality and good will, does not want the management of
such “externalities” under the control of the ruling, ‘Rocke-Nazi’ oligarchy,
for, if they run “pollution-control”, etc., a pseudo-pollution
control will result, that that oligarchy will use to attack the livelihoods,
and the very lives, of the majority class; to roll-back the growth of the
social forces of production, whose continuing growth is the real key to human
liberation, to de-industrialize and impoverish the economy, and its
wages-levels, and to, as they have often stated, “collapse industrial
civilization”.
Instead of external
regulatory bureaucracies charged with “pollution-control”, but actually “captured”
by the capitalists that they are charged with regulating, and with the national
state of which they are a part controlled by the, ‘humanocidal’, ‘Rocke-Nazi’
faction of the capitalist ruling class, one wants grassroots, political-economic-democratic
regulation.
That is why the new
constitutional principle, human right, and collective property right of ‘Citizen’s
Externality Equity’ plays such a central role in the detailed proposal for
the ‘‘‘Equitist’’’ System, of ‘Political-ECONOMIC
DEMOCRACY’ that is contained in the book entitled Marx’s
Missing Blueprints.
Here is a link to the full, 151-page PDF of that book, so that, if you are interested, you can check out the draft constitutional amendments and statues designed to institute ‘Citizen's Externality Equity’ --
Edition 1.,
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For many of the
‘Rocke-Nazis’ own spokes-servants’ many calls for global ‘humanocide’, see: Capitalism's
Fatal Flaw, and the Way Forward: 'Rocke-Nazi' Plutocracy Publicly Proclaims
Planned Planetary Population Plummeting. GLOBAL STRATEGIC HYPOTHESES.
Yours in the spirit of
dialectical dialogue,
Miguel
So here are my questions —> . . .
Question (2). This question may seem a little vague or “philosophical” — but I
think it is actually based in science, but still kind of open to
interpretation. Basically, you seemed to think that human beings, humanity, our
species as homo sapiens, are different, above, beyond, separate from, superior
to, transcendent to, what we call “Nature”. I would disagree. But what do we
mean by “Nature”? To me, nature is not just the biosphere, the many living
forms of life which we share this world with — though it is obviously those —
but also includes the “nature” of the workings of the universe itself. The
cosmos is nature. So, in our human terms, nature would include our planet, the
atoms, electrons, all the nuclear particles, the whole “chemical chart of the elements”,
our gravitational field, our local star and its nuclear fusion, the galaxy,
photons and electromagnetic fields, the cells in your body, the way your brain
is operating right now as you read this, the ways your body works, how it is
your heart is beating, how your nervous system is firing and communicating with
your muscles, your skeletal structure, and your brain, and the interlocking
processes of oxygen and carbon exchanged between us and the plant life around
us, the fact that we can talk via patterns of air movement that can be
transmitted via our auditory systems and decoded by brain functions, these are
all nature-based functions… all aspects of nature. It would also include
the evolutionary processes that brought our species into this human form, and
evolved to this point, as part of a vast interweaving of biological,
geological, chemical, atmospheric processes and developments that indicate a
richness and complexity, that is essentially infinite, that we are totally
intwined with. So I would say, rather than us existing “separate” from “Nature”
we are rather one of its expressions. In a sense, to slice and dice in a
particular way, we are the Earth, we are an expression of the earth, we are the
earth that has become living, mobile, thinking, tool-making. But this
earthiness can also be expanded — we are also the sun. We are the stars — that
is where are elements come from, that is the energy that fills your body right
now. We are this energy given a kind of form, embodiment, expression, life.
What are we supposed to be separate from and and superior to? Ourselves? I am
not trying to be poetic or idealist, but very concrete, totally scientific.
And also there is a follow up to this question…If you see humans as somehow
ontologically separate from nature, that, one the one hand, sounds kind of
biblical — as in humans are a special creation by a monotheistic God that
handed the planet over to us to do with as we wish. Hierarchy gives to a lesser
hierarchy, which is given dominion. There is the world of animals, trees,
forests, etc. — and then there are humans, a separate and special creation. And
this world is ours. God gave us this land. On the other hand this world-view
fits in with capitalist ideology of production, consumption, exploitation, and
alienation (and again hierarchy)— the earth is ours to exploit, extract, use
and abuse, pollute, degrade, destroy — because it is in 'our’ interest to do so
(and this interest is defined by the requirements of the economic system, that
is, class interests and the needs of capital accumulation). The earth is
defined as a great fund of “resources” - that has no “purpose” of existence
except for our benefit, our exploitation (again, this “our” being defined
viv-a-vis capitalism). This leads to at least a couple issues. The planet, the
biosphere, its geology, etc become the source of extraction, and the dumping
ground of waste — no matter what the ultimate costs and repercussions. No
matter how much environmental awareness there might be, there is always the
strong tendency to overcome resistance. The God of Capital must be appeased.
The results of these processes can be seen all over the planet, including
species extinction, top soil degradation, polluted oceans — including “dead
zones" — toxicity, waste, poisoning, environment destruction, etc
etc. While there are certainly people and organizations trying to push back
against this onslaught, my point is that part of the problem is the ideology
that sees humans as separate and superior. We do so at our own peril, and the
peril of all the myriads of species that we are abusing, killing,
exploiting, — and to the peril of all the interlocking life systems that
we are disrupting and destroying. The Euro-American march, the march of
“civilization”, across the North American continent, can now be understood as
possibly the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world. But now,
so much more of the world is being degraded, deformed, destroyed. How can this
not rebound onto us? It already is!
And also…positively…. by our alienation and self-appointed superiority we are
perhaps missing a felt connection, a richness of experience, and a mixture of
science and wonder that is potentially here right now. There are so many facets
of this “nature-thing!” But that is another side of this question, and I am
going on way too long now...
So, I just was going to ask the question —> Do you still see human beings as
separate, superior, transcendent, and automatically entitled to exploit
nature? "Still"???
-- I have NEVER seen human beings in the way that you state.
. . .
Regards,
Miguel
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